Glenn Phillips

In the process of pro­tect­ing birds, you pro­tect plants and insects and fish, and you pro­tect the whole sys­tem, and in the end, even people.

Glenn Phillips is the Exec­u­tive Direc­tor of the New York City Audubon. It is not, as many wrongly assume, a “soci­ety” – though it is affil­i­ated with the National Audubon Soci­ety. The NYC Audubon is just an “Audubon” – the name car­ried by John James Audubon, the Haitian-born, French-American ornithol­o­gist who painted birds into the world’s sub­con­scious and lived his last years in Wash­ing­ton Heights. Today, Audubon means birds and the NYC Audubon means birds in the 5 bor­oughs. Of course, that’s only part of the story.

So, are you strictly birds?

We are a bird con­ser­va­tion orga­ni­za­tion. Birds is what the Audubon name brand implies. That said, my own back­ground is in plant ecol­ogy, so I’m inter­ested in using birds to pro­tect plants. Native plants, par­tic­u­larly the rare ones, can be unin­ter­est­ing to the gen­eral pub­lic. They’re kind of eso­teric. Birds are beau­ti­ful and active and they fly. They cap­ture people’s imag­i­na­tions. Birds are a great stand-in to pro­tect whole ecosys­tems. In the process of pro­tect­ing birds, you pro­tect plants and insects and fish, and you pro­tect the whole sys­tem, and in the end, even people.

Do you have a favorite New York City bird?

There are so many really cool birds in New York City, but one of my favorites, it’s not the most beau­ti­ful bird in New York City, is the cat­bird. They nest in all five bor­oughs and in almost every major park. They are not shy birds. You can really watch them do their thing. I think I feel some kin­ship with them because they make really messy nests. That’s one of the ways you can iden­tify them, by how sloppy they are. They are very sophis­ti­cated urban birds, I think.

OK, but what’s the weird­est bird you’ve seen around here?

The most inter­est­ing bird I’ve seen in New York City is the Scott’s Ori­ole, which is a south­west­ern bird, a bright orange and black bird. There was one in Union Square a few win­ters ago. Weird bird in a weird place. But it’s New York City.

Do you feel sym­pa­thy for pigeons?

I do. Pigeons have all sorts of neat behav­iors. They’re abun­dant in the city, and I feel like they’re a crit­i­cal piece of the food chain in New York City. I think that’s one of the really impor­tant things about pigeons — they’re food for other birds.

Red-Tailed Hawk (Pale Male)Does any­body eat them?

Lots of birds do — the wild ones.

No, no. But what about peo­ple. Are peo­ple, you know, hun­gry peo­ple on the street, catch­ing pigeons and eat­ing them?

I’ve never heard of any­one catch­ing pigeons as a food source. I have heard of peo­ple catch­ing pigeons to sell to hunters. There are places where peo­ple will release pigeons to hunt for sport. It seems sad to me. It doesn’t seem quite right to be cap­tur­ing pigeons in New York City just to ship them some­where else so they can get shot. I cer­tainly don’t approve, and I’m not sure it’s legal.

New York City is par­tic­u­larly well-sited on the Atlantic Fly­way. It’s really a great des­ti­na­tion for birdwatching.

There’s a rumor that all New York City spar­rows can be traced back to a group of spar­rows that were brought over in the 1800s by a sin­gle crazy Shake­speare fanatic. Are you famil­iar with this story?

That story is actu­ally star­lings, not spar­rows. Yes, Schi­ef­fe­lin intro­duced star­lings and he was try­ing to intro­duce all of the birds of Shake­speare to New York City. None of the other species sur­vived, mostly because a lot of them are migra­tory species. You take a migra­tory bird out of its migra­tory path­way and it doesn’t know what to do with itself. Star­lings are not migra­tory birds, and although they were slow to get started, they even­tu­ally became ubiq­ui­tous. They can be quite prob­lem­atic, so I’m not proud that New York City is one of the first places where star­lings were intro­duced in North Amer­ica. It’s pos­si­ble that every star­ling in North Amer­ica descended from Schieffelin’s starlings.

Great Egret in Central ParkBut what about spar­rows, the other bird you just can’t miss in NYC?

House spar­rows were intro­duced from Europe to a few parks in Man­hat­tan and Brook­lyn. There were thou­sands of horses pulling things down our streets back then, which meant there was a lot of horse manure, which meant there were a lot of flies. House spar­rows were the solu­tion – they are com­fort­able liv­ing in urban set­tings, and peo­ple thought they’d eat a lot of flies. In fact, house spar­rows are pri­mar­ily seed eaters. Now they’re a major agri­cul­tural pest.

OK, but what about fal­cons and hawks. I’ve read that a num­ber of hawks have been found dead on the NYC streets.

Four have died recently.

A lot of peo­ple say roden­ti­cides killed them. Do you think roden­ti­cides are to blame?

In all like­li­hood, yes. Roden­ti­cides are by far the biggest cul­prit in the death of adult birds in New York City. A few years ago, a study was con­ducted that found vehi­cle col­li­sions to be the num­ber one cause of death for young birds, espe­cially when they are learn­ing how to fly. But for adult birds, roden­ti­cides are a big prob­lem. The biggest cul­prit is a killer chem­i­cal brod­i­fa­coum, the active ingre­di­ent in d-Con. It’s incred­i­bly toxic stuff and it causes a huge num­ber of acci­den­tal poi­son­ings, pri­mar­ily in other wildlife, but also in peo­ple and pets. There are other roden­ti­cides out there that are equally as effec­tive for rats, but less deadly for birds.

So what should the city do?

I think brod­i­fa­coum should be banned out­right every­where. I cer­tainly think there’s no rea­son why any­one should be using it in New York City. In fact, the EPA has tried to ban over-the-counter sales and the parks depart­ment has agreed not to use it. Even the city’s fore­most expert on rodent con­trol agrees that it’s not nec­es­sary to use brod­i­fa­coum in New York City. Unfor­tu­nately, the out­rage hasn’t stopped the peo­ple who live across the street from putting it out in front of their homes. Also, con­ces­sions and other third par­ties in park space con­tinue to use it.

canada-warbler-city-atlas-rr3What about cats? Aren’t cats the best organic form of pest control?

No, cats kill small ani­mals. Cats kill birds. One study found that a sin­gle well-fed house­cat – it wasn’t feral, it had a home – killed over a thou­sand birds and small mam­mals in a sin­gle year. It didn’t need to eat them, it didn’t eat them for food. It killed them because that’s what cats do. Cats live health­ier, longer lives and they do less dam­age to the envi­ron­ment when they’re kept indoors. They are not wild ani­mals, they are an exotic, inva­sive species, and they belong indoors.

Ask­ing a per­son to get excited about a teeny tiny bird that’s at the top of a tree that you can barely see is hard work to do. Start with the big things: herons and egrets

Back to bird­ing. Where can I find some birds in NYC and when should I go look­ing for them?

New York City is par­tic­u­larly well-sited on the Atlantic Fly­way. It’s really a great des­ti­na­tion for bird­watch­ing. Some of my favorite places to go: Prospect Park in Brook­lyn, Cen­tral Park in Man­hat­tan, Jamaica Bay – Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge is a spec­tac­u­lar place for bird­ing – Cort­land Park in the Bronx, the New York Botan­i­cal Gar­den in the Bronx, Alley Pond Park in Queens, and Clove Lakes Park in Staten Island. I’d also say Con­fer­ence House Park in Staten Island. I’ve given you a huge list already. There are dozens of spec­tac­u­lar bird­ing sites in the city. Check out our web­site for a list.

As for when you should do it: Now. There is almost not a bad time to go bird watch­ing in New York City, but some times are more spec­tac­u­lar than oth­ers. Early May might be the best. Start­ing at the begin­ning of May and run­ning until about the third week of May, the bulk of migra­tory birds pass through New York City. The diver­sity in the spring is high­est. Usu­ally, around May 12 is peak diver­sity in New York City. Of course, the same thing hap­pens in the fall migra­tion: the birds that came through on their way north in the spring – and then some, because they’ve got all the young com­ing with them — return on their way south. There are a lot more birds going south than going north. The draw­back in the fall is that they take their time, so they come through in waves, whereas you get this huge pulse of birds mov­ing through in the spring.

As for when you should do it: Now. There is almost not a bad time to go bird watch­ing in New York City, but some times are more spec­tac­u­lar than oth­ers. Early May might be the best.

It’s been a pretty early spring. Is the peak going to arrive ear­lier this year?

Well, it’s been com­ing a few days ear­lier, but not sig­nif­i­cantly ear­lier, because the birds aren’t mak­ing their deci­sions to migrate based on the tem­per­a­tures here. The sig­nals they respond to occur where they are, in the near trop­ics – the Domini­can Repub­lic, Hon­duras, Brazil — down there, not here.

Well your orga­ni­za­tion clearly loves birds, and so do I. But some peo­ple just don’t get it. What can we do for these peo­ple to show them the, ahem, flight?

First, start with easy stuff. Ask­ing a per­son to get excited about a teeny tiny bird that’s at the top of a tree that you can barely see is hard work to do. It may not be worth it. But take your friend out to a wildlife refuge in the next few weeks. Huge num­bers of snow geese are gath­er­ing on their way north; big, easy-to-see birds. Start with the big things: go out on one of our sun­set eco-cruises in sum­mer­time and see the herons and egrets com­ing back to their roost­ing sites. These are big birds. Big birds are a good place to start.

When you learn how to pay atten­tion to details, look­ing at birds, you can pay atten­tion to details look­ing at anything.

I don’t know. I’ve seen how New York­ers react to Canada geese.

Canada geese elicit a wide range of responses from peo­ple, because they’re a lit­tle over­abun­dant. If you’re some­what new to bird­watch­ing and you’re not well-trained to help peo­ple find birds and know what they’re look­ing for, it can be frus­trat­ing. Get your friends out to Jamaica Bay. Get them out to Bryant Park with a pro­fes­sional. We do walks there with the Bryant Park Cor­po­ra­tion. Train your­self to use binoc­u­lars, to know how to look at birds. Learn how to pay atten­tion to details you might not ordi­nar­ily see.

magnolia_warblerthumbWhen you learn how to pay atten­tion to details, look­ing at birds, you can pay atten­tion to details look­ing at any­thing. I think that too often peo­ple don’t pay atten­tion to the details. They gloss over things, they make gen­er­al­iza­tions and they fail to under­stand what’s really hap­pen­ing. We make crit­i­cal mis­takes man­ag­ing our­selves and our world when we do that. To me, the answer to the prob­lems of mod­ern civ­i­liza­tion is birdwatching.

About Glenn Phillips:

Glenn began work­ing in the envi­ron­men­tal field at the ten­der age of eight, when he launched a trav­el­ing envi­ron­men­tal edu­ca­tion pro­gram by bring­ing his col­lec­tion of rep­tiles and amphib­ians to local kinder­garten classes for hands-on pre­sen­ta­tions. At about the same time, he began watch­ing and learn­ing about birds, inspired by the bur­row­ing owls, west­ern mead­owlarks, and log­ger­head shrikes that inhab­ited the fields between his home and his school in north­ern California.

Before join­ing NYC Audubon, Glenn helped estab­lish the Prospect Park Audubon Cen­ter, which was rec­og­nized as the pre­mier site in Brook­lyn for envi­ron­men­tal edu­ca­tion from its open­ing in 2002. Glenn was also respon­si­ble for coor­di­nat­ing activ­i­ties with the Lef­ferts His­toric House and the Brook­lyn Acad­emy of Sci­ence and the Envi­ron­ment, a pub­lic high school oper­ated in part­ner­ship with the Brook­lyn Botanic Gar­den and the NYC Depart­ment of Edu­ca­tion; he has also worked at the New York Botan­i­cal Gar­den (in the Bronx).

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Pho­tos of Canada War­bler, Red Tailed Hawk, and Great Egret by David Speiser (lili​birds​.com)

Photo of Glenn Phillips by Mau­reen Drennan

NYC Audubon Hawk-Cam

NYC Audubon on “Bird­ing in New York City” — “Few peo­ple asso­ciate New York City with wildlife or bird­watch­ing, but the truth is that in the City’s parks and green spaces, and along por­tions of the 578-mile water­front, you’ll find some of the best places in the world to watch birds.”